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I've been researching the phrase "Does not compute." I found (and added) the reference in that Wikipedia article to its origin in My Living Doll in 1964 and popularisation in Lost In Space from 1965. (And I'd just like you all to contemplate a Julie Newmar android fembot servant. Mmm-mmmmm. Probably with corset-mounted laser beams, but anyway.) The original version of the article said it was used from the 1950s ... do any of the science fiction geeks reading know of actual examples from this time?

I appear to be mostly well — coffee made me feel better rather than worse — except my lungs are still crappy. I'm doing bursts of housework interspersed with lying down and recovering. The kitaens are less at loggerheads with Tom; Neo is hiding, Madam is confronting him and trying to nick his senior biscuits, which she likes more than the kitten ones. Neo and Madam are currently having an attack of crack. Liz is *splat* but enjoying the Monopoly game she got for her Palm. I'll be going outside shortly to do a soil test in the front yard.

Update: What is it that makes laptop keyboards so attractive to kittens?

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Date: 2005-10-23 01:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] baralier.livejournal.com
I can't say I'm aware of it from any 50s stuff but I shall ask my SG nerd colleagues. I'd be surpised if it was in use during the 50s as that was really only the time computers were starting to appear on the public awareness.

It may have turned up in an occasional piece of literature but I don't think that would count as "pop culture".

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Date: 2005-10-23 02:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cookwitch.livejournal.com
Get yourself some Chesteze from the chemist. It clears up that congested lung feeling really well. :)

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Date: 2005-10-23 02:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cookwitch.livejournal.com
It's a type of decongestant like sudofed but it breaks down any gunk and stops that catarrgh rattle in the chest after you have a cold. It's an over the counter tablet.

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Date: 2005-10-23 02:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] siani-hedgehog.livejournal.com
Update: What is it that makes laptop keyboards so attractive to kittens?

radiant heat, and easy access to pettins. i've just had Tish, who is most decidedly a cat trying to get onto mine.

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Date: 2005-10-23 02:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cookwitch.livejournal.com
Aww bless. It really is good stuff. Hope your lungs are better soon!

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Date: 2005-10-23 03:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quiet000001.livejournal.com
Rats are the same way with keyboards.

Also, do you happen to know offhand what hours places in Camden market are likely to be open on Saturdays? (I'm going to be in London for a matinee show on the weekend and I want to swing by the corset place if at all possible, y'see.)

(And also maybe get my boots. *pokes boot people*)

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Date: 2005-10-23 03:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] m0rbid-princess.livejournal.com
Although never expressly mentioning the word "Does Not Compute", the concept of the effects Cognitive Dissonance (which is mentioend further down) when applied to Artificial Intelligences was covered in great depth by Isaac Asimov in his I,Robot series - the 3 Robotic Laws which governed the Positronic android brains existed in a state of equilibrium while the robot was healthy, but as each placed differing and, in some cases, conflicting demands on the robot a situation which caused two or more laws to demand, overwhelmingly, contradictory actions on the robot (such as to both save and not save a human from a potentially life threatening situation) often drove them 'mad'. This tension manifested itself from behaving as if 'drunk', running in circles, to more serious things such as holding humans prisoner or believing itself to be 'God'. The most striking example is in the short story 'Liar' where a telepathic robot who can read minds is forced to lie to humans to avoid hurting them emotionally and transgressing the second law. When one character finds this out she is so angry she punished the robot by deliberately and carefully explaining, repetitively, the inherrant logical paradox of being required to perform two diamterically opposed actions and being unable to perform either. Eventually the robot in question suffers a massive neural breakdown and is left 'brain' damaged beyond repair by the conflict. A stark and chilling literary reference to the concept of "Does Not Compute", if not mentioning the word itself.

Don't know if any of that is suitable for the article but it seems such a shame to leave out some of the most prolific examples of Cognitive Disonance in Sci-Fi...

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Date: 2005-10-23 04:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] feanelwa.livejournal.com
Laptop keyboards are just another form of newspaper. They make clicky crackly noises when you stand on them, they have those funny squiggles on, and people look at them all the time. And they're heated! Internally heated newspaper - what more could a cat ask for?

Bacon, clearly, preferably stolen. But not much else.

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Date: 2005-10-23 04:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] m0rbid-princess.livejournal.com
Excellent! You've got everything as needed there, with nothing superfluous.

It's one of the earliest examples I know of the concept of 'Does Not Compute' if not of the actual words themselves, as it almost pre-dates modern computing itself. I think it was mocked respectfully in a Red Dwarf episode, too, where they cause a robot to self-destruct by telling it there is no silicon heaven to go to when it dies, causing a 'metaphysical dichotomy'. While breaking down, I believe it says "No silicon heaven? Does...not...compute" but I may be wrong.

I just realised I said it was the second law, not the first. Well spotted, there.

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Date: 2005-10-23 04:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mendel.livejournal.com
And jealousy -- you spend a few hours scratching the laptop's belly, it's time for some for the cat too!

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Date: 2005-10-23 07:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] loosechanj.livejournal.com
Do you happen to know if there's a right pondian variant?

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Date: 2005-10-23 08:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] loosechanj.livejournal.com
Erm, I of course meant my other right. All these damn hurricanes going backwards have me confuzzled.

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Date: 2005-10-23 08:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] loosechanj.livejournal.com
Your icon is disturbing on many levels.

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Date: 2005-10-23 08:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cookwitch.livejournal.com
No, I don't, I'm afraid, sorry!

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Date: 2005-10-23 09:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mendel.livejournal.com
Thanks! :-D You can see more by the artist here (http://astrocat.com/samaras/paintings.html).

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Date: 2005-10-23 10:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] girfan.livejournal.com
It was fairly popular in the US. I remember watching it every week as a very young person.

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Date: 2005-10-23 10:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] loosechanj.livejournal.com
I *could*...but do I *want* to?

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Date: 2005-10-23 11:41 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] ronebofh.livejournal.com
Ha ha, ephedrine? I doubt that'll be found over here. It seems to be mostly black tea, anyway.

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Date: 2005-10-24 12:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mendel.livejournal.com
Start with The Birth of Ginger (http://astrocat.com/samaras/birthofginger.html), but not from work.

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Date: 2005-10-24 04:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ozjester.livejournal.com
I had a cat who would sleep on my PC keyboard, so I figure keyboards to cats are like masseur sandals to people. They poke and prod and make things feel oh so good.

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Date: 2005-11-05 06:43 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kest
The local cat is fascinated by the fact the keys *move* when she lies down on them, so then of course she must attack them.