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Please, please, please, I beg you:

Learn to touch-type. Learn to type with ten fingers.

Computer programs and websites to do this abound. If you find one that's horrible to use, find another. But persist until you do.

I am appalled at how many people I know who use computers typing for hours a day, and never learned how to drive a keyboard. They insist they're just as fast as they would be touch-typing (they're not), and then complain of sore fingers from doing weird stuff to adapt to their inability to type properly.

Anyone reading this uses computers enough, to type text, that they should know how to type. I would estimate (based on my geeky friends I've seen at a keyboard) less than 20% of you can touch-type properly.

HOW THE HELL DO 80% OF THE COMPUTER-MAINLINING GEEKS I KNOW NOT KNOW HOW TO TYPE. HOW DO THEY NOT BOTHER TO LEARN HOW TO USE THEIR PRIMARY MODE OF HUMAN INTERACTION. Figuring that out will be a study in human cognitive biases, for sure.

Set up your desk, chair etc per the handy how-to-avoid-RSI diagrams that one can hardly get away from in any setting. Then LEARN HOW TO TYPE. And don't make an excuse for why you're a special snowflake who doesn't need to.

By the way, when I discovered IRC big time (1996), it took my speed from 60wpm to 90wpm. Complete sentences, they're your friend.

My daughter is three and a half. She is already more skilled with the computers at nursery than the staff are. (Can get from the CBeebies games to watching Octonauts on the iPlayer in the blink of an eye!) I'm going to make sure she learns to type properly as soon as possible after she learns to read, dexterity allowing.

Don't post excuses for not bothering to learn to type. If you have ten fingers and they work*, you don't have an excuse.

* or are not otherwise incapacitated

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Date: 2011-02-08 10:03 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I know how to touch type, but sometimes I lose my home row and then oy qpp t03w 50 eu96.

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Date: 2011-02-08 10:30 pm (UTC)
greylock: (Default)
From: [personal profile] greylock
I don't care to touch type. I get by on (basically) two-fingered typing.

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Date: 2011-02-08 10:49 pm (UTC)
ciphergoth: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ciphergoth
Just tried to replicate that and got "96 wpp y04e 60 eu96"...

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Date: 2011-02-08 10:54 pm (UTC)
tisiphone: (Default)
From: [personal profile] tisiphone
That was me.

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Date: 2011-02-08 10:55 pm (UTC)
darren_stranger: (Default)
From: [personal profile] darren_stranger

I was surprised years ago to discover i was doing an improvised two to four fingered kind of touch typing that i'd slipped into without even noticing, just from the amount of typing i'd been doing at computers. Now i've lost a lot of that as i spend much less time writing and more reading or clicking when at the computer. I suppose i could learn to touch type properly, but i don't feel the amount of time i spend typing is enough to warrant it when i could be doing something more interesting.

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Date: 2011-02-08 11:21 pm (UTC)
aster13: (Default)
From: [personal profile] aster13
I touch type!

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Date: 2011-02-08 11:28 pm (UTC)
flick: (Default)
From: [personal profile] flick
I can't touch type. The only* time it causes me problems is when Parallels has a hissy fit and sticks down the virtual Windows Key.

I have a faster typing speed than many people I know who learnt how to touch type. I got that by bashing away on a VIC-20, frantically writing my secret diary, alt-keys enabled, in a non-re-readable form.

(Although I'm fully able to not only type fast and accurately but also do funky shite with Word, most of what I do is in Excel, so actual typing skilzz are less important. Similarly, I know a huge number of geeks who can't actually type a coherent sentence on IRC. the only one I know is the one I'm married to, and he still edits obsessively.)

Why does it matter?

* Ok, not only: I'm struggling now because I'm pissed [g]

(Fully agree that people need to learn to type, dammit, but touchtyping? No.)

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Date: 2011-02-09 12:04 am (UTC)
sharplittleteeth: (Default)
From: [personal profile] sharplittleteeth
I can touch type. But only if I don't think about it.

Same as I don't remember what half my passwords are, but my fingers do.

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Date: 2011-02-09 12:16 am (UTC)
karen2205: Me with proper sized mug of coffee (Default)
From: [personal profile] karen2205
Hmm, yes touch typing = very useful skill (and one I basically taught myself whilst at university, just by typing a lot). I'm not sure the standard software for teaching it is terribly useful to those who can already type a bit, as it tends to take people back to a frustrating place involving limited numbers of fingers and the home keys.

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Date: 2011-02-09 12:30 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ideological_cuddle
I learned to touch-type when I was about 14 or so. On proper real ancient clunky typewriters, none of this electric stuff, let alone computer keyboards.

(With hindsight, had I been rather more confident it would have been an *excellent* way to meet girls, seeing as I was one of two boys in a class of 30.)

That said, I don't think what I do now quite qualifies as "proper" touch typing. It's sort of vaguely *like* touch typing, but my hands kind of float all over the place and now I'm thinking about it I'm using the middle finger on my right hand a lot more than any of the others on that hand. Probably down to the placement of keys, though.

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Date: 2011-02-09 12:50 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jauncourt
If I didn't already think you are amazing and one of the few good things about humanity, I would after reading this.

Personally, I suck at speed typing, but that's never kept me from trying to overcome my natural tendency to forget which hand I'm typing with. Ambidexterity is NOT a typist's friend.

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Date: 2011-02-09 01:42 am (UTC)
tangent_woman: (Default)
From: [personal profile] tangent_woman
Oh, bite me.

I've dashed my hopes against the rocks of innumerable attempts to learn to touch type. And still I cannot.

It turns out that while my ten fingers work to spec, my brain does not.

Not a special snow flake. Not unwilling. Simply unable to master touch typing or guitar playing or skills of that ilk due to being defective in an otherwise trivial way.

So if you are going to be contemptuous of me for not doing as you prescribe, go right ahead because such scorn (and I get plenty of it from ignorant, judgmental folk) is nothing compared with the frustration of being flat out and eternally unable to type proficiently.

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Date: 2011-02-09 01:56 am (UTC)
quiet000001: Patrick Kane from the Chicago Blackhawks wearing Clark Kent glasses from the All Stars competition (Default)
From: [personal profile] quiet000001
Same here, more or less. That said, at any given moment in time if someone watches me typing, I may or may not be doing it properly, as I can also type minimal amounts one-handed. (A skill developed as a result of wearing a wrist brace on my right wrist off and on - unless I can get the keyboard lined up just right, I can't use my right hand to type because I can't bend my wrist - so if I've got my laptop on my lap to make a quick note or I'm reading LJ in bed, I might not be able to get situated properly.)

But being able to type properly and with speed has made life so much easier for taking notes in classes - the prof talks and I just let my fingers go and I can pay attention to what is being said without figuring out the shortest way to phrase something because I can only write for so long with a pen. (Stupid arthritis.)

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Date: 2011-02-09 01:57 am (UTC)
quiet000001: Patrick Kane from the Chicago Blackhawks wearing Clark Kent glasses from the All Stars competition (Default)
From: [personal profile] quiet000001
I will also fess up to having learned by typing, not from stupid annoying typing programs, though. They bored me so much I could never take them seriously.

Then I discovered Usenet. And IRC. It was downhill from there.

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Date: 2011-02-09 02:18 am (UTC)
oonh: (Default)
From: [personal profile] oonh
And don't be afraid of learning dvorak, either.
I know both dvorak and qwerty and I can switch between them without a problem. Scratch that. I can have multiple windows, some of which in dvorak and qwerty, and I can instantly switch my brain between the two layouts.

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Date: 2011-02-09 02:19 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] oonh
(and I should admit, that I'm planning on learning more layouts, because every time you constrict your communications pipeline, you get just a little more creative).

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Date: 2011-02-09 03:02 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I'm not sure using proper fingering and all ten matters that much. Growing up on a computer but with no formal typing training I somehow came to a style that relies on just the index finger on the right hand while using all five fingers on the left. 120 WPM, so I really have not felt any burning desire to unlearn the instinctive behavior. But have some pity for us kids and our weird ways. :)

-Phil Sandifer

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Date: 2011-02-09 03:19 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] gths
We did get an electric typewriter (one of those cheapish Canon things) while we were at high school, my brother went and did a typing course at TAFE and I sort of learnt from his textbook, but I guess it was incomplete. I went to TAFE myself a few years later and got rid of most of the bad habits.

Anyway, the weird thing is that I touch type with all the fingers of my left hand (even though I'm righthanded) but my right hand sort of wanders all over the place, partly because I have to use the number pad quite a lot at work. But that works out OK, because the Qwerty keyboard, while definitely somewhat suboptimal, does have most of the common letters on the left side or the top row.

The main point of course is learn to type to the point where you can type out what you're thinking without having to play hunt'n'peck, and to do so that doesn't cause wrist discomfort.

The other neat thing is that the discipline also gives you better control over your fingers (the ring finger is the hardest to bring into line) so you can potentially learn how to play an instrument more quickly.
Edited Date: 2011-02-09 03:19 am (UTC)

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Date: 2011-02-09 03:25 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] katieastrophe
+1 to all of this.

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Date: 2011-02-09 03:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frou-frou.livejournal.com
My brain gets in the way of typing, so perhaps you need to find a way to switch it off?

I'm so, so glad that I picked up the skill - it makes such a difference.

David, when I learnt to type, my dad loaned me his old typewriter - it was a bastard to learn on, none of this touch typing bizzo, you have to really push the keys down but I was shocked to learn that after all his years as a writer and journo he was still doing it with two fingers.

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Date: 2011-02-09 05:36 am (UTC)
tangent_woman: (Default)
From: [personal profile] tangent_woman
Hang on... are you saying that if having two broken legs gets in the way of walking, perhaps I need to find a way to switch them off? I'll bear that in mind. Thanks.

Meanwhile, I can type adequately for my purposes. I use the right fingers on the right keys. I don't glance at the keyboard unless I lose my home keys. I type pretty solidly for some hours each day. And still I will never have the speed and accuracy required to satisfactorily perform routine keyboard tasks like data entry or typing from dictation.

People who really can touch type find it a tad painful to watch/hear me typing, and I do get told fairly regularly that "Learning to touch type is so worthwhile! You should give it a try!" So far I have refrained from beating anyone to death with a keyboard, because I know they don't grasp that I've tried so many times that I could bathe in the tears of my touch-typing teachers, and they mean well, but there's always a chance that one day someone will express sentiments like those in the OP when I happen to be within range of them and a keyboard... :P

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Date: 2011-02-09 06:15 am (UTC)
jld: “0wned!!!” (0wned)
From: [personal profile] jld
I probably can't touch type on my phone.

Regular kybards, however, fine. I'm typing this with my eyes closed right now, in fact. I'm pretty sure there are a few parts of my touch typing that would horrify a purist (not quite the right finger kind of stuff in a few edge cases), and I seem to recall having been driven to frustration by those "ergonomic" kybards on the rare occasions when I encounter one, but it works for me.

We were taught typing in middle school as part of the regular curriculum, first on (electric?) typewriters and then on computers, as they swtiched from one to the other between two of the years in question.

I don't particularly want to hear about Dvorak, though. I have a friend who converted to it, and swore up and down he could still use qwerty fine, but whenever he had to type something on one of my systems the most bizarre typos kept turning up. Again, works for me.

(I confess I have opened my eyes to edit for content, but not tyops.)
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