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You have a stack of tapes this high to be loaded. You have three tape drives. You put a tape into one drive. You take it out because it won't read. You put another tape in after it and the drive jams.

You put the initial tape that won't read into another drive and it won't read there either. You take it out and put it in a third drive with the same result. Subsequent tapes in each of these drives (it must be the drives) jam as well. You call helpdesk complaining about our crappy support.

After much back and forth, it emerges that you ignored the lack of a green light and forced the dud tape — a DLT that had dropped its leader — from each of the three drives in turn. Thus breaking them. And meaning you have no more tape drives for the stack of tapes this high you have to load. WELL DONE!

They're lucky we had a spare drive to hand. "Please don't break this one." I really hope the vendor invalidates the warranty on grounds of equipment abuse and they get the bill.

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Date: 2004-05-07 09:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sheepthief.livejournal.com
I won't do tapes any more. Oh no. And I'm saying nothing at all about the backup procedures where I work. Let's just say that students are warned to make their own backups - sort of a real-world emulation if you like, and indeed some of them have been caught out, as have some academics. On the one hand I feel that this is a little harsh, and yet...

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Date: 2004-05-07 09:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] simonb.livejournal.com
Flying a box of tapes in is actually the fastest and most cost-effective form of data transmission.

Sounds rather familiar; we have the same issue with satellite imagary. Sometimes it works out faster and cheaper to fly a server with attached RAID array across... along with a person to support it!

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Date: 2004-05-07 11:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rbarclay.livejournal.com
I've been moving a couple TB twice last year. The only feasible way we found was to buy lots of disks, mirror (well, letting the RAID-controller mirror it) all the data onto them, and drive them across town.

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Date: 2004-05-07 09:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sclerotic-rings.livejournal.com
I get that crap at work all of the time: the definition of "insanity" being "repeating the same action over and over and expecting a different result" gets used a lot over here. (My personal favorite, though, came from the MBA I had to coach at a position six years ago: she was actually allowed access to our Web server, and she decided to change a whole slew of files in MS FrontPage...and then changed the names in Windows Explorer. She stomped to my desk, screaming about how the computer screwed up her lovely project, and I managed to ascertain the problem in about five seconds. She might have kept her access, too, if she didn't do the same thing five more times, screaming her way up the chain of command while doing so. And is it any surprise that she kept her job in the midst of the layoffs six months later?)

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Date: 2004-05-07 10:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dan-lane.livejournal.com
I have to design a replacement for my self-designed 500gb backup solution (which doesn't use tape)... this new one has to be able to handle 1tb.

I'm thinking of going in the tape direction perhaps you can recommend some equipment? ... I'd rather not be changing tapes all day long!

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Date: 2004-05-07 10:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] solipsistnation.livejournal.com

Network Appliance is your friend.

Well, okay, they're MY friend, but that's because we managed to score a NearStore r150-- 12TB of live RAID backup, including lots of neat things like real-time mirroring and the ability to do all kinds of backups and, I believe, to look like a tape drive to Veritas (although we don't do that).

I HIGHLY recommend NetApp gear. Not cheap up-front, but it'll save you LOTS of time.

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Date: 2004-05-07 01:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dan-lane.livejournal.com
I have experience with NetApp filers, unfortunately they are outside of my current budget :(

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Date: 2004-05-10 11:24 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] fanf
Our setup can be seen towards the bottom of http://www.cus.cam.ac.uk/~fanf2/photos.html

We're using a robot with a 17 slot magazine feeding two LTO drives. This is to back up 0.5 TB at the moment, scaling to about 2TB before we need to upgrade.

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Date: 2004-05-07 10:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] solipsistnation.livejournal.com

Ah, your tape-monkeys did that for you too? We only lost two DLT drives in our little lost-leader fiasco, but that's because we only had two drives to lost.

Turns out we'd been using the same DLTs for daily backups since, um, 1997. We had a mighty purging of all tapes that have been in rotation for more than a year, and things have been marginally okay since then. I hate DLTs...

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Date: 2004-05-07 12:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] solipsistnation.livejournal.com

Sheesh.

At least ours has the excuse of being the guy whose father-in-law used to be VP of the division, but who doesn't have enough skills (or ambition) to move beyond front-desk-and-tape-monkeying...

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Date: 2004-05-07 10:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arkady.livejournal.com
Hee. I wondered if this one would find its way into LJ!

Worthy of crossposting into [livejournal.com profile] techsupport....

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Date: 2004-05-07 07:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] milli.livejournal.com
SHow me DREAM pictures daddio!

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