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markeris, on the goth scene, from here.)
I can hardly believe how much money I used to spend on records and how little I do now. Not that I spend it on clothes either. Nor am I making it up in MP3s. Mostly I'm just wishing I had my old vinyl here. With a laser turntable.
Discuss.
(By the way, full points to mickmercer for switching on comments at last. A lot of interesting ones, too.)
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Date: 2004-07-21 02:40 am (UTC)As to the music: three or four reasonably good bands who, in their time, consistently produced interesting and innovative stuff, then half a dozen others who had one or two good songs, and the rest are nothing more than fourth-rate imitators.
And that's just talking about the 80s, when the goth scene actually was dynamic. Nowadays, sorry, but musically the scene is dead. Be happy that for a while it was quite amusing, but now just let it go: hauling loved ones out of graves because you can't bear to part with them is a quick way to get arrested... ;-)
But then, I never did like goth music all that much, so I should probably keep my ill-informed opinions to myself before everyone tells me quite how wrong I am.
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Date: 2004-07-21 02:56 am (UTC)Eris' comment applies just as well, to my mind, to buying EBM. The EBM bands know their fans are goths, at least of a sort.
(And I know your fondness for EBM. Now you just have to combine it with hair metal ...)
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Date: 2004-07-21 03:22 am (UTC)Apop live have practically done that already. Bless, it's so sweet the way they want to be rock stars. ;-)
Yes, you (and
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Date: 2004-07-21 03:26 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2004-07-21 02:50 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2004-07-21 02:58 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2004-07-21 02:53 am (UTC)Has there been a decent goth album to spend money on in thr last few years? Closest I'd say have been VNV's Empires/Burning Empires, and covenant's last couple. And they are borderline genre int they?
Rico has been bringing some good dark shouty stuff out, good, but would most people consider it goth? The Cure? Nothing since High has caught my ear. I guess Evenessance are a blp on the old goth radar, bought it, singles are ok, not to sure about the album as a whole. Prefer funeral for a friend when i want shouty rock... I guess the closest we have is the Rasmus, but i'm not sure the rest of the album groves as much as the single...
So how many people have i upset with this?
(no subject)
Date: 2004-07-21 03:08 am (UTC)(Yes, ok - and I fancy the singer - so what! :p )
oh i forgot
Date: 2004-07-21 04:07 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2004-07-21 04:35 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2004-07-21 03:01 am (UTC)I don't listen to "goth" music at home really (the closest I get is the Dream Disciples!) Plus the fact I have no money and can't even afford £10 for a CD, let alone a corset (I wish... :/ )
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Date: 2004-07-21 03:05 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2004-07-21 03:28 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2004-07-21 10:52 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2004-07-22 03:49 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2004-07-21 03:09 am (UTC)I don't actually care if the goth music scene dies. There's been nothing interesting in it for a long time. The most interesting newish band around at the moment are mclusky IMHO, but then I always was as much into punk/alternative as goth.
I've been spending far too much money on records and CDs lately. I can't even keep up with my purchases and listen to them enough to do them justice. I may have to cancel my Emusic subscription for a bit too.
(no subject)
Date: 2004-07-21 03:27 am (UTC)"I've been spending far too much money on records and CDs lately. I can't even keep up with my purchases and listen to them enough to do them justice."
Now, that's just being a quitter.
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Date: 2004-07-21 03:25 am (UTC)I wouldn't be much use to the goth scene were I inclined to buy CDs anyway, though, as I don't ... actually ... like .... obscure bands. *phew* I know, I know. Hand in my goth card at the door. I'll go one better now and say that if I was going to buy obscure-band-CDs I'd probably buy punk ones, because at least I can be assured of shouting in the same key to those.
Wow, what an entirely pointless comment. Summary: Del doesn't buy CDs because she's a filthy pirate who doesn't like goth music.
(no subject)
Date: 2004-07-21 04:05 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2004-07-21 04:06 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2004-07-21 04:17 am (UTC)I spend considerably more on music than on clothes, and have done for as long as I've had money. My shirts may be getting holy, but I spent a couple hundred dollars on music in the past fortnight...
(Not that much of it was goth. Hm. Probably none of it. Simply haven't heard of any interesting new goth music worth spending money on for a year or three...)
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Date: 2004-07-21 04:18 am (UTC)I am in fear that some goths who have tons of clothes and lots of new things to wear at events will make fun of me for wearing the same old stuff (some of my dresses are close to 10 years old or older), and as of now, still don't own a corset.
But, a lot of the music I get is not goth. My latest purchase was the Eurovision song contest winner Ruslana's single Wild Dance and I got the Bloodhound Gang's Horray for Boobies at my shop yesterday for 2 quid.
I still like and support a lot of the current bands (Swarf, Manuskript for example) and do my best considering I am older than 95% of the people "in the scene" and no longer live in a city with a large live scene to choose from.
(no subject)
Date: 2004-07-21 04:24 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2004-07-21 04:54 am (UTC)I still have all my old vinyl, but the quality of our turntable is somewhat dodgy, so I must rectify that soon. Our new house has the living room right next to the kitchen, so I'll be able to play music while I'm cooking, which makes me hugely happy. I'm partial to punk, ska and old-skool industrial while whipping up some coq au vin.
What I don't do anymore is just sit and listen. It seems like such an indulgence not to be doing anything else while I listen.
My younger self has no such issues. Maybe I need to relearn that habit again.
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Date: 2004-07-21 05:39 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2004-07-21 06:09 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2004-07-21 06:15 am (UTC)Yeah, I have to find some tuits somewhere. I think there's a whole in my pocket where they keep falling out.
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Date: 2004-07-21 06:15 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2004-07-21 07:22 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2004-07-21 07:34 am (UTC)The good thing: anyone can do it. The bad thing: anyone can do it.
It's interesting, though, to see what happens with a half-decent band, e.g. Deathboy -
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Date: 2004-07-21 07:41 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2004-07-21 07:57 am (UTC)I`m sure i`ve gottent the wrong end of the stick, but I`m reading that as "Deathboy CDs don`t count because people had already got the (incidentally different) .mp3s and therefore this release is stealing sales from other people with proper releases?" and I`m sure that`s not what you meant. And if that *is* what you meant can you explain why not buying a proper CD because you`ve already got it off soulseek is different?
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Date: 2004-07-21 10:05 am (UTC)How it differs from soulseek downloads is that while MP3s for download *may* (and I don't believe they do much) "steal sales" from the same band. Deathboy downloads may hurt Deathboy sales, and that's what the Industry bigwigs are maintaining. In the case of a parallel CD, few people are going to choose the parallel CD *instead of* the production album, but rather will puchase it *in adddition to* the production one. Since the parallel CD costs actual money, though, there's the perception that the buyer has purchased two CDs and spent 2 CD's worth of whatever mental budget for CDs they have running. And that probably means that some other CD doesn't get bought. So, instead of "stealing sales" from Deathboy, it steals sales from (a hypothetical only) Machinae X, who released a CD around the same time, but isn't as favored by the buyer of the full set of Deathboy.
(no subject)
Date: 2004-07-21 08:25 am (UTC)I mention Deathboy as an example of a non-crap band lost in the flood of crap, and getting little notice because of it.
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Date: 2004-07-21 08:28 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2004-07-21 09:47 am (UTC)What a crock of shite. I've spent far more on music than on clothes and guess what? Although SOME new stuff is okay, most of it is so heavily rave-elctro-trance based it annoys. In terms of evolution, once an organism reaches enough iterations, it is not akin to the base animal. This has happened with a LOT of the newer stuff. To defend people who spend shite-loads on clothing,
(no subject)
Date: 2004-07-21 09:51 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2004-07-21 04:40 pm (UTC)Have they actually fixed the problems with the laser reading dust on the record?
The idea of reading the part of the groove wall undamaged by styluses is certainly neat, but I don't see how you get around the dust problem.
I know that the early production laser turntables shipped bundled with high-end record cleaning equipment that IIRC correctly had a price tag (just for the cleaning equipmenent) approaching that of a Linn Sondek.
I can see its value for archival of valuable vinyl (cleaning, done right, will do far less damage than playing with a stylus), but presonally I'd rather have a Linn Sondek any day... (Though I make do with a Rega Planar 3 and a pair of SL1200's)
-roy
-roy
(no subject)
Date: 2004-07-22 03:52 am (UTC)They do advise you to clean your records first, and supply a cleaning device.
Stevie Wonder bought one. You know a new piece of musical technology is hot when Stevie Wonder buys one.
(no subject)
Date: 2004-07-21 06:03 pm (UTC)A rough tally:-
Funds spent on Records in the last 12 months: $60
Funds spent on clothes in the last 12 months: $7 (socks!)
Funds spent on gigs in the last 12 months: $100 (60% was Cov, 25% Mark from Ride)
Funds spent on clubs in the last 12 months: $5
MP3s downloaded ... about 100.
MP3s worth repear listenings: About 20.
What does that tell me? Er... nothing.