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Answering the burning question of whether Npower can be trusted with a direct debit: No, not really.

From: David Gerard
To:  enquiries@energywatch.org.uk
Subject: Complaint about Npower and direct debits

Dear Sir/Madam,


I am writing to enquire as to whether OFGEM deals with complaints about
a gas supplier's behaviour with regard to billing and direct debits.

We recently received two estimated gas bills in succession from Npower; they 
could not account for why they were unable to send someone to check the
meter, nor did they send us a key when requested for us to open the meter
box and read it ourselves in the usual fashion. Despite saying on the first
call they would freeze the account until the meter had been read, they
increased the direct debit - from £14/month to £23/month (a remarkable gas
usage for a two-person flat).

On the third call, enquiring as to why they had done this, they said
we should open the meter ourselves with pliers and take a reading.
They could offer no adequate explanation for the grossly increased direct
debit, which we explicitly did not authorise.

We have cancelled all direct debits with Npower and are switching our
gas and electricity to British Gas. But the account still has a
credit, which we obviously wish to recover; and such fast and loose
behaviour with direct debits surely cannot be reasonable industry practice.

If we make a formal detailed complaint, would this be dealt with by
OFGEM, by Trading Standards, a banking industry body or by some other
body?


yours,


David Gerard

The best bit was calling Natwest and promptly disabling the direct debits.

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Date: 2004-09-27 11:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] edwards.livejournal.com
See that latter figure?

Put a zero on it. There's our gas bill ;)

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Date: 2004-09-27 12:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] edwards.livejournal.com
2,800 square feet of 19th century stone, in Scotland ;)

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Date: 2004-09-27 12:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ewtikins.livejournal.com
Ah. Trying to heat the Great Outdoors does get expensive.

Canadians know all about it, and insulate our homes. If we didn't, we'd die.

I suppose there's not much you can do to stone, though, except hang curtains on the inside, or not heat all of it all the time, and double-glazing is probably right out of the question...

Maybe all the pretty toys in the background of this (http://www.velvet.net/~edwards/webcam.html) generate some heat, though?

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Date: 2004-09-27 01:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] feanelwa.livejournal.com
  • Big thick wool tapestries on the walls
  • Two giant dogs sleeping on the floor
  • Big thick carpets
  • A herd of sheep sheltering along the walls
  • A roaring log fire
  • Lots of blankets
  • Wearing three jumpers at a time
  • Not going to the the ground floor unless you have to
  • Draught excluders in front of all the doors
Are among the measures taken to make stone houses (notably castles) warmer. I suspect some of these are conditional upon being the king and having effectively infinite money and labour at your disposal.

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Date: 2004-09-27 01:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] feanelwa.livejournal.com
The sheep are outside, I ought to point out.

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Date: 2004-09-27 02:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hellsop.livejournal.com
It would probably be warmer if they were inside.

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Date: 2004-09-27 03:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] feanelwa.livejournal.com
True, but they tend to poo everywhere, and when you're trying to keep the heat in it messes it up a bit to keep opening the door to chuck the sheep shit out.

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Date: 2004-09-27 03:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hellsop.livejournal.com
Free fuel, that is! Save it for the stove!

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Date: 2004-09-27 03:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] feanelwa.livejournal.com
Remind me never to end up sleeping in your house...pwoar. Strong pong.

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Date: 2004-09-27 04:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] siani-hedgehog.livejournal.com
that depends on dates. in early houses they were indoors but in a semi-seperate end of the building.

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Date: 2004-09-27 01:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ewtikins.livejournal.com
Most of these fall either under 'more insulation' or 'making more heat' or 'not spending time in places that are definitely going to be cold', which I did touch on but not as broadly.

We do many of these things in Canada as well, although when you have insulation in the walls it isn't usually necessary to put curtains on the inside as well.

[livejournal.com profile] shevek put bubblewrap and thick curtains on the inside wall of downstairs in the house in Bath and it really does help keep the place warmer in winter.

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Date: 2004-09-27 03:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] feanelwa.livejournal.com
Ooh, I hadn't thought of bubblewrap.

In the college room I had in my first year, there was a great big lead-clad dormer window that accounted for something silly like 30% of the surface area of the room. It was freezing. I eventually bought as much cheap fabric as I could find and hung it over the walls of the alcove and somehow strung another bit across the ceiling (this bit was midnight blue and it was great!) - the room was literally about five degrees warmer after that. Bloody silly room.

weird insulations

Date: 2004-10-21 06:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angharad.livejournal.com
I have a friend in Western New York (Buffalo/Rochester area), and her parents have these foam cutouts which they put in the windows at night, in "winter".

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Date: 2004-10-21 06:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angharad.livejournal.com
when you have insulation in the walls it isn't usually necessary to put curtains on the inside as well.

or sheep!

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Date: 2004-09-27 02:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] edwards.livejournal.com
I'll find out about the Canadian winters in December. Actually, Scottish stone houses are well insulated generally, the cost is due to not running a combi/on demand boiler and such, and we could make all sorts of changes like closing doors in the rooms and such.

The kit generates heat upstairs, where it goes to make the attic warm (already warm enough) - I spend a lot of summer wishing for A/C. And of course, that's only half of it.

G5 Mac is remarkably cool running, though.

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Date: 2004-09-27 04:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] siani-hedgehog.livejournal.com
we have DG. it's naff, but we can't afford to put the proper windows back. and the 3 foot thick walls do quite a lot for keeping the temp reasonable. they act as fantastic thermal mass, and keep the place cooler in summer, too. and most notably they're still standing after 160 years and will likely stand for another 160... :)

a lot of the gas bill is just down to having an 8+ bedroom house over 3 floors, and lots of legacy hardware. we have a hot water tank appropriately sized for several 2 bed flats.

and [livejournal.com profile] edwardscissors is lying, anyways. that's what our estimated bill was. it's actually only about 1/2-3/4 of that, although we're currently paying double to make up for the nearly 2 years it took them to manage to bill us.

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Date: 2004-09-27 12:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silverfiligree.livejournal.com
try www.uswitch.com for comparisons of energy providers.

Our gas bill is £24 a month, with British Gas - I'm sure Uswitch suggested cheaper than that. I can't be arsed to wrestle with it right now, but I'll be paring every damn penny off the bills once I can move.

NPower suck more than a sucky thing. My downstairs neighbour had to set the dog on their salescretins ;o)

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Date: 2004-09-27 02:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] incy.livejournal.com
I would open the meter cupboard as they said and read the meter. It will answer most of the questions (or at least the importnat one). Once you know how much gas you used you know how much you owe them. Their customer services are appalling, but change suppliers (though i had terrible problems with British Gas so i cahnged to Atlantic) int he end they are sselling you gas and electricity, if they cannot get it right then they lose your custom. But as i say the meter reading will answer how much you owe them and just compare it to the estimate.

Also I do not think the banks will get involved, even over the direct debit guarentee. They will say you and the supplier are just disputing the amount and it is a civil dispute rather then a banking error (npower agree they are doing this and I guess there contract with you allows them to do it and the amount is not a silly amount they are taking) or a criminal matter.

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Date: 2004-09-27 04:24 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] redcountess
We did get a reading, and worked out that at the time of the estimated reading (7th of August) the actual reading would have been quite a lot less. That was the last straw. I worked for an electricity company in Melbourne, they had checks in place so that a direct debit customer could not receive an estimated bill - it would have come up on a list and been pulled, then someone sent out to do a special reading. What NPower did was slack, and their customer service agent we spoke to tonight did nothing to offer to remedy the situation.

As for our bank, they said they had to let today's payments go through, which is fine, and NPower are indeed entitled to any arrears we owe, but we are ahead, and will pay the final bill when it arrives in a timely manner.

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Date: 2004-09-27 11:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] incy.livejournal.com
Certainly here they all work off estimates all the time, they are menat to read themter once evry two years minimum, but most do not make that (I have not had a gas meter reading in my place since I moved in nearly 3 years ago, buthave had three electriucty ones). You alos have to remember the gas reading is doen by a company called Transco who own the gas infrastructure in this company and are supposed to pass on the readings to npower, there is a lot of scope for things to go wrong. What enrgy suppliers are supposed to do is adjust your bill to the correct amount, if you supply them with a reading if the estimate is wrong.

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Date: 2004-09-27 11:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] incy.livejournal.com
actually just had a look on npowers web site and they are expensive anywya. They would come out at about 15 per cent more then my current supplier.

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Date: 2004-09-28 03:57 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] redcountess
Who are you currently with, if you don't mind me asking?

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Date: 2004-09-28 04:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] incy.livejournal.com
Atlantic energy, they can screw uop bills as well, but seem happy to reissue them fairly quickly

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Date: 2004-09-27 06:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dcarson.livejournal.com
I never trusted anyone with a direct debit, which was a right pain in the UK given how keen everyone is to take your money that way. Bastards, one and all.

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Date: 2004-09-28 01:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] severina-242.livejournal.com
I'm having a similar problem with AGL back here in Melbourne - if they haven't read the meter they estimate the bill, and then *lie* and say they did read the meter, when you know that they couldn't have because you forgot to leave the gate open so they could read it...... Our bill was usually about $30 due to the unique situation with the gas, but they estimated it to be about $250. Now if we had *heating* instead of just a stove that didn't get used much, maybe that would be okay..... Bunch 'o bottom feeding cunts.

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Date: 2004-09-29 05:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zillahgoth.livejournal.com
Divazilla, get in touch, lil sis is getting married and requires your company (next year, plenty time blah blah)

No committing double adultery!

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