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DENIAL: "I am so not a goth."
ANGER: "Fuck you, I'm sick of goths!"
BARGAINING: "I wear these boots because they're comfortable, and black happens to be slimming on me. Look, my jacket is brown."
DEPRESSION: "Oh Ghod, normals actually suck worse."
ACCEPTANCE: "Listen, kid, I see gother things than you after my morning dump."

Update: Further stages, prompted by [livejournal.com profile] mr_tom:

EMERGENCE: Oh all right I'll go to the goth night at the pub. I can tell them to play Sisters instead of crappy EBM.
ACCEPTANCE: My goodness, these sxxy deth chyx are fine.
RE-CONNECTING WITHOUT LEARNING: G'day, luv, nice boots!
NEW LEARNING AND HOPE: Ow. Never mind, there's another one over there.
LIFE WITH NEW INSIGHT AND UNDERSTANDING: Perhaps if I pick up sxxy deth chyx my own age. Oooh, g'day. Nice boots!

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Date: 2006-01-25 05:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sinibar.livejournal.com
followed by...

DEPRESSION: OMG the goth scene is so full of wankers these days.
BARGAINING: Well, maybe if I get really, really drunk I won't hate going to a goth club
ANGER: This fucking goth scene fucking sucks. I'm fucking out of it fucking now. Fuck.
DENIAL: I'm not goth. I was a goth. I'm not now. Goths today suck.

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Date: 2006-01-26 12:18 pm (UTC)

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Date: 2006-01-25 05:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mr-tom.livejournal.com
This is like that bereavement/change curve thingy, but without the up-side, no?

http://www.vinepartnership.co.uk/images/changenewd3.gif

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Date: 2006-01-25 07:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kineticfactory.livejournal.com
The problem is that, to my ear, the Sisters of Mercy are not really more listenable than crap EBM.

I tried doing the goth thing, and listened to both. Then I discovered music that you never hear about inside the goth reality distortion field, and realised that, far from being the definition of "post-punk" or whatever, the Sisters of Mercy are a very conservative and rockist band; they went from generic angry young punk noise through an album or two of genre-defining Goth Rock that Cleopatra bands are probably still copying, to bloated hard-rock balladeering à la Meatloaf with intellectual pretensions. (The fact that they shared the same producer is rather telling.)

Could there be any reason for listening to the Sisters of Mercy other than as a cultural signifier of identification within the Goth subculture?

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Date: 2006-01-25 07:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gashinryu.livejournal.com
ENLIGHTENMENT: Waking up the next morning and realising the only difference between goth and normal life is the clothes. ;-)

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Date: 2006-01-25 07:02 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] vampwillow
EMERGENCE: Oh all right I'll go to the goth night at the club. I can tell them to play VNV Nation and Combichrist instead of crappy dismal 80's crap

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Date: 2006-01-25 09:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lucybond.livejournal.com
Hon. My sweater: pink, purple, blue & cream stripes.
My trousers: hot pink.
My shirt: silk, with white, hot pink & grey pinstripe.
My boots: hot pink, with snowflake print.
My lingerie: matching dsky pink lace.

My HAIR: dyed back to something resembling my natural colour
(OK, with platinum stripes)

I'm really not goth!

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Date: 2006-01-25 09:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] siani-hedgehog.livejournal.com
pink is the new black. goth.

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Date: 2006-01-26 03:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ajohnymous.livejournal.com
My HAIR: dyed back to something resembling my natural colour

I'm tempted to say that in 20 years time, I'll be able to say "I told you so" about everything I ever mentioned to you and Cav.

However, at this rate, I think it will be more like in 5 years.

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Date: 2006-01-26 05:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lucybond.livejournal.com
:P

I just got very tired of bleaching it white, & he got tired of helping me with the back, so I'm finding out just how grey I've really gone under there, which seems to be less grey than I expected.

Do you win something if you get to say "I told you so"?

It doesn't matter if I dress in denim, I still can't pass for normal once I open my mouth, y'know...

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Date: 2006-01-26 06:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cavalorn.livejournal.com
Not quite everything, John. (http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.gothic/browse_frm/thread/5d9a184793544dd2/4a2012074dff8e3a?lnk=st&q=%22+injun+joe's+head+hurt%22&rnum=1&hl=en#4a2012074dff8e3a)

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Date: 2006-01-25 10:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] koresh.livejournal.com
At least I never got past stage one: "I am so not a goth". Yes, I were black boots every day - and usualy black everything. But I'm still more a of bloody hippy than a goth.

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Date: 2006-01-26 12:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neonchameleon.livejournal.com
But I'm not a Goth! (Or does that make me stage 1? - I really don't think so...)

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Date: 2006-01-26 09:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arkady.livejournal.com
Actually, no. You really aren't a goth. But then again, nor do you particularly associate with them en masse.

[livejournal.com profile] hairyears is also officially Not-A-Goth, but appears to slowly be morphing into something that would like to masquerade as one on the weekends and has been increasingly seen hanging around and fraternising with goths. I think it's the whole "Sexxy deth chicks in Nice Boots and corsets who know their way around a Unix shell" attraction thing, myself.

Oh, wait.... ;-)

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Date: 2006-01-26 01:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] grumpy-sysadmin.livejournal.com
I wear a lot of black, but in an Adminspotting way, not a Goth way. So there.

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Date: 2006-01-26 11:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kineticfactory.livejournal.com
There's a difference?

I read that all Linux distributions these days come with the entire VNV Nation back-catalogue in .ogg format, to get one acclimatised to the culture.

ha HA!

Date: 2006-01-28 01:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] grumpy-sysadmin.livejournal.com
I don't do Linux (http://www.netbsd.org/).
From: [identity profile] mouseworks.livejournal.com
Man, ya'll are like postfacto Beatniks or something, with more colorful boots.

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Date: 2006-01-26 07:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seph-hazard.livejournal.com
Me and a friend, in the pub, the other day: (direct quote!)
Friend:My GOD! Why are you wearing THAT?
Me:(shrug) I like it! What's the problem?
F:It's...you know...green. I thought you were a goth, that's all.
M:(exasperated sigh) I am not a goth!
F:Honey, you wear goth clothes and you go to goth clubs and you listen to goth music and you do goth makeup and you are about to paint your bedroom purple and black and you write poetry and you fancy goths and you read the Tarot and you're a natural blonde who dyes her hair black and God knows what else. I think you are going to have to accept that you're a goth.
M:Oh, shut up and buy me a drink.
F:(to barmaid) Can I have a pint of Snakebite and black, please?